Camera Price Charts 2016 Episode IV: Serious Fixed Lens Cameras

In Episode #1 of the November 2016 series, we took a look at the prices of all 35mm Full Frame Digital Cameras… In Episode #2, we took a look at APS-C DSLRs… In Episode III, we take a look at prices of Mirrorless Cameras… In this post (episode IV), we take a look at some of the serious fixed lens cameras aka RAWsumers…

Where Does The Data Come From?

The prices are the consensus prices between Amazon and B&H Photo and Adorama as of November 3 in 2016. These are new condition with USA warranty prices, from authorized dealers. Older cameras that are no longer available in new condition with USA warranty from the above retailers, or are available in a very limited fashion, are not included.

Serious Fixed Lens Cameras – The Big Picture

We have a pretty steady progression of prices from $450 to $2000, with the majority of the cameras narrowing down to three sensor sizes, 1-inch, APS-C, and 35mm full frame. 2/3″ used to be more popular, and so was 1/1.7″, while the Canon G1 X* line is the only one carrying the flag for 1.5″. I am no longer adding new 1/2.3″ cameras to the chart but there is one hold-out from the previous chart (FZ300).

Canon and Sony are doubling down on this segment by keeping multiple active cameras in their line-up, Canon has six models, and Sony has eleven, keeping all models around of three separate lines, the RX100 (five models), and the RX10 and RX1 (three models each). Panasonic too is continuing with an LX and FZ track. Nikon’s re-entry happened with a trio of new cameras under the DL line (to be released by the end of the year). Fuji cooled off on this segment, but offered a lower-priced APS-C model.

Just like the other November 2016 categories, some prices have actually/surprisingly gone up, some went down, many stayed the same. We see the same price pattern here, where the race to the price-bottom is essentially over.

The picture below gives you a bird’s eye view. Click twice on it or view the full size PNG for a more readable version (only 50K).

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The APS-C RAWsumers

Things were fairly quiet in the world of APS-C, with Fuji giving their X100* a lower priced parallel APS-C model with the X70. The only other new camera was a waterproof variation on a Leica theme (X-U Typ 113). Remaining are two famous models among aficionados of this segment, the X100T and Ricoh GR II.

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The 1-inch Sensors Dominate the RAWsumers

One clear pattern that emerged this year is that the 1-inch sensor cameras are dominating the RAWsumer segment. Nine of the eleven new cameras in this segment have 1-inch sensors, including Nikon’s new line of DLs. Sony, Panasonic and Canon all released new models at this size. Their prices are well spaced, with a dense $600 to $1000 section in the middle.

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Footnotes

  • Prices as of November 3 in 2016 – see second paragraph above for details
  • Prices are more or less uniform among the three tracked retailers
  • New additions since the previous chart include the Nikon DL trio, the Sony RX10 III and RX100 V, the Panasonic LX10 and ZS100 and FZ2500, the Fuji X70, and Canon G7 X II and the Leica X-U T113 and such
  • Gone since the previous chart are the Ricoh GR, PAnasonic CM1, LX7 and FZ200, Nikon P7800, Fuji XF1, XQ1, XQ2, X-S1, Canon G16 and S120, Olympus Stylus 1S, and such
  • Typos, errors, confusions, omissions are always possible. Please leave a comment or use the online contact form. If I don’t notice an error and no one mentions it, it won’t get fixed on its own 🙂

Camera Price Charts 2016 Episode III: The Mirrorless Expansion

In Episode #1 of the November 2016 series, we took a look at the prices of all 35mm Full Frame Digital Cameras… In Episode #2, we took a look at APS-C DSLRs… In this post (Episode III), we take a look at prices of mirrorless cameras. As usual, we do not include rangefinders in this category, and we do not include sensors larger than 35mm since those are very niche (but we saw action there too with the Fuji medium format GFX 50S).

Where Does The Data Come From?

The prices are the consensus prices between Amazon and B&H Photo and Adorama as of November 2 in 2016. These are new condition with USA warranty prices, from authorized dealers. Prices are the body only kit, except for cameras without an official body-only kit – we use the lowest priced standard kit (eg w/18-55) for those. Older cameras that are no longer available in new condition with USA warranty from the above retailers, or are available in a very limited fashion, are not included.

Flagship Mirrorless Prices as of November 2016

There are many mirrorless cameras out there, so we start by taking a look at the flagship camera of each system. Samsung is out of the market now, while finally Canon decided to get serious with a more advanced mirrorless camera, so we are including it here. Sigma too joined the party with the SD Quattro. Their APS-H camera does not have a price yet, so the non-H is the current flagship ~ we only look at real aka “purchasable” products in these price charts. The Pentax Q-S1 is still lingering around but I can’t find enough loopholes to call it a flagship camera, adorkable as it may be 🙂

Leica price-leads the way and with that price, it will remain a champion until the next Leica camera. Sony’s price-flagship having the 35mm full frame sensor is also guaranteed a second place. Olympus played price-leapfrog with the E-M1 II, whose price was revealed a few days ago [see Stock Status Tracker] jumping ahead of Fuji’s latest entries. The Panasonic GH4 and Nikon V3 remained the same flagships as last year.

In yellow highlight below are the new releases since our previous price-chart…

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Mirrorless Prices as of November 2016

Compare and contrast the size of this monster chart below with the one of APS-C DSLRs and you can tell where a lot of the action is happening. We had roughly twice as many new mirrorless cameras in 2016 than APS-C DSLRs. If it wasn’t for the “Export As Image” option, the chart below would have to be two parts 🙂

Click on the image twice to see it at maximum size (unless you are on a giant vertical monitor) or open the full size PNG file (fear not, it’s only 55K, it won’t eat up your mobile data).

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The Pentax Q-S1 with its atom ant sized sensor is leading the price-bottom in both charts, but sensor-size is not always a factor in pricing. There is a wild mix of 1″ and M43 and APS-C and 35mm Full Frame. For example, the $1100 35mmFF Sony a7 is in the middle, and costs less than the Nikon V3 with its “Angry Inch” sensor 🙂

Just like with DSLRs, the race to the price-bottom is over. Most of the sub-$400 cameras are older. As usual with these charts, we feature the body only price, unless a particular camera does not have an official body-only kit. In those cases, we feature the lowest priced kit (most of the time it’s the w/14-42 or w/18-55 and such). This is why you see some cameras in the chart with lenses next to their names.

To save the chart from being totally unreadable, I removed the Leica SL Typ 601, which you can see in all its price glory in the Flagships chart at the top. Its price flattened almost all the other entries in the cart.

Taking a bird’s eye view, shows a steady progression of prices from $200 to $2200, so anyone buying specific price points, won’t have trouble finding something 🙂 This kinda feels healthy and organic – I think.

While doing this it became painfully obvious that Panasonic’s naming scheme is/was in sharp need of a reboot. They have very similarly-named cameras, and the combination of letters and numbers they use is just too similar and overlapping and confusing and non-distinct 🙂 Imagine how the average consumer must feel looking at the soup of Gs and Xs and Fs and 7s and 8s 🙂

The “Take Pictures With” Kits

Body only options are great if you already have lenses or if you are a serious/advanced photographer and you are planning to buy non-entry-level lenses. But for a beginner or someone dipping their toes into a new system (without taking a big financial risk), the “Take Pictures with Kits” (TPwK) are important, since you are ready to take pictures. Some of the cameras that are listed as Body Only in the mega chart above appear here with their kit lenses. This only covers lower prices, where TPwKs are more relevant. Under $650 is the cut-off point, which is why there’s only one new camera (yellow highlighter).

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Again, as you can see above, the race to the price-bottom days are over, so for someone looking for lower prices, the used/refurbished market may be an option to look at.

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Footnotes

  • Prices as of November 1 in 2016 – see second paragraph above for details
  • Prices are more or less uniform among the three tracked retailers
  • New additions since the previous chart include the Fuji X-T2, X-PRO2, X-E2S, X-A3, Olympus E-M1 II, E-PL8, and Pen-F, Canon M5, Sigma SD Quattro, Sony a6300, Panasonic G85 and GX85, and such
  • Gone from last year’s chart are the Samsung line-up, Fuji X-E2 and X-E1, Nikon S2, Olympus E-M5, E-M10, E-PL6, Panasonic GF6, GF7, GH3, GM5, GX7, and such
  • Typos, errors, confusions, omissions are always possible. Please leave a comment or use the online contact form. If I don’t notice an error and no one mentions it, it won’t get fixed on its own 🙂

Rantnoyance #1: Marketplaces Won’t Tell You Who The Actual Seller Is

This is a new series of posts that point out issues and problems with camera- related shopping, practices and things that are not very consumer-friendly, or not as consumer-friendly as they could be. This is not only for the benefit of consumers, but also for retailers who are in it for the long haul. The happier your consumers, the more sales, and more loyal customers you get, and the more they spread the word longer and wider.

We start with a relatively new trend with open marketplaces which allow many 3rd-party merchants to sell the same product: the marketplace won’t tell you upfront or will make it hard to figure (without either proceeding all the way in the ordering process, or even after completing an order) who the actual seller of the product is.

The poster-child of this phenomenon is Jet.com. Not only did they have lots of funding when they were independent, but also got a giant infusion of cash when they got purchased by Walmart [see Crunchbase for details], so it’s not like they don’t have the money or infrastructure to do this. I understand the need to simplify the product page and not have it be a circus like a typical Amazon product page. Jet also simplifies the shipping process, where you just buy things, and you don’t have to worry about paying multiple shipping fees depending on the seller. This is good and innovative, and a way to help the consumer save money. Certainly not an issue if you are buying small things and books and music CDs and such.

However what is a plus for small purchases, becomes a big negative for things like camera gear. The actual seller of a product is very important when you are buying an expensive item or an item where authorized dealer status dictates whether you get warranty service or not. And that’s before we consider counterfeit products. Or unreliable and disreputable dealers who try to sneak in opened and used products as brand new or remove accessories. And the list goes on of potential issues when you are not dealing with an A-list dealer.

Considering all the shenanigans we know (and not love) about camera gear selling, and some sellers being less reputable and reliable than others, this is a big wild card and risk for the buyer.

Jet is not alone

Jet is not the only one. NewEgg’s FLASH sales website (NewEggFlash) is not as bad as Jet, but when you go to a product page, the actual seller of a product is hidden. You have to decode the “Return Policy” to guess who the actual seller is. Thankfully this becomes more obvious _AFTER_ you add an item to the shopping cart, but that’s still not good enough.

Here are a couple of screenshots, used under fair use as an example of the consumer issue at hand. The first is when NewEggFlash itself is the seller, the second is when a marketplace seller is the actual seller:

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So the above is a trick to figure this out, not an official way. And that’s assuming that the seller is the one offering the “Return Policy”. But once you add the item to the shopping cart, the seller becomes formally visible:

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Unintentionally Buying from Marketplace sellers is Still a General Issue

There are still people who unintentionally buy from marketplace sellers (instead of the house), even when the seller is shown in the listings. Partly this is user error, but it’s also up to the marketplaces to make it more obvious and easier to detect for the average consumer. Even with Amazon, who has been around since the early days of the consumer internet, and clearly marks the seller of record in their listings, there are still people who accidentally buy something from a marketplace seller and only realize this when they have to return something or when they have a problem.

So all retailers need to work to improve on this. And we, as consumers, need to pay more attention, while the winds of multi-tasking are pulling us in a dozen different directions 🙂

Camera Price Charts 2016 Episode I: The Full Frame Price Fix

And we are back with the 2016 edition of our snapshot of camera prices in the US market. We start with the 35mm full frame digital cameras, grouping together all kinds, DSLRs, mirrorless, walletfinders (okay, rangefinders), and fixed lens. Because Medium Format is a very small niche, we are not tracking their prices here… In Episode #2 we look at APS-C DSLR prices

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New Cameras and Lenses in 2016 (only serious or interesting)

The new year is here, which means it is time to start the New Cameras and Lenses of 2016 reference post. This will only cover interesting and/or serious cameras and lenses. This does not track every single P&S digital camera. This post will be almost empty initially but CES 2016 and other early Trade Shows will likely start filling it up quickly. The new cameras and lenses of 2015 can be found in the New Cameras of 2015 post.

Latest Update: September 15 (2016): new Canon M5 mirrorless camera and 18-150mm EF-M lens… new Canon SLR 70-300 IS lens… Fuji X-A3 camera and 23/2 prime… Canon 5D Mark IV and two new lenses… Nikon D3400 DSLR and new 70-300 and 18-55 AF-P lenses… Rokinon 14mm f2.8 with Autofocus for Sony FE… lenses from Nikon and Rokinon with its first autofocus lens… Fuji X-T2 camera… new Hasselblad Medium Format Mirrorless camera with two lenses… Panasonic 12mm f1.4 lens… Pentax K-70 DSLR and 55-300mm f4.5-6.3 ED PLM WR RE lens…

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(ENDED) Camera Deals Situation Room for the 2015 Holiday Shopping Season

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(ENDED) Grading the Camera Offers in the 2015 Black Friday Circular Ads

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(ENDED) Black Friday Ads Breakdown for Camera and Photo related items

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